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Post by MsElliott on Jan 27, 2015 11:39:13 GMT
Ralph and Piggy have never met each other before. How does the difference in their speech establish for the reader the difference in their social status and authority?
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Post by coreym on Feb 1, 2015 4:39:53 GMT
Ralph speaks with confidence and is not interested in Piggy which gives him authority. Piggy speaks with a cockney accent by saying things such as "All them other kids" and "Them fruit" whereas Ralph speaks with a more proper accent. This shows that he is from a middle-class home, giving him a higher social status.
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Post by isabelleewert on Feb 1, 2015 6:19:25 GMT
Ralph and Piggy have never met each other before. How does the difference in their speech establish for the reader the difference in their social status and authority? When you first meet Ralph and Piggy you can tell what sort of relationship they are going to have with Piggy chasing after Ralph. The reader can sense that Piggy would be considered a lower class than Ralph through they way he speaks; "We was attacked!" Ralph speaks in a way that shows how he thinks of himself as better than Piggy and when we find out his father works in the navy and Piggy's auntie owns a sweet shop, our suspicious are confirmed. Ralph has an air of authority about him and he shows this when speaking; "I'm chief then." Piggy does not speak out as Ralph does and is therefore not respected and listened to as Ralph is with his commanding way of speech. Ralph is the sort of person who would have many followers and friends because of the way he delegates and instructs while you could imagine Piggy not to have many at all. Ralph speaks in a way that makes you want to listen. |
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Post by isabelleewert on Feb 1, 2015 6:22:29 GMT
Ralph speaks with confidence and is not interested in Piggy which gives him authority. Piggy speaks with a cockney accent by saying things such as "All them other kids" and "Them fruit" whereas Ralph speaks with a more proper accent. This shows that he is from a middle-class home, giving him a higher social status. I agree that Ralph is much more confident than Piggy is and he definitely has that sort of accent which sets him apart from the others. I think that Ralph would be very influenced by his father's position in the navy whereas Piggy doesn't have that sort of person to look up to. |
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Post by zoewatson on Feb 1, 2015 7:35:31 GMT
Ralph and Piggy have never met each other before. How does the difference in their speech establish for the reader the difference in their social status and authority? When you first meet Ralph and Piggy you can tell what sort of relationship they are going to have with Piggy chasing after Ralph. The reader can sense that Piggy would be considered a lower class than Ralph through they way he speaks; "We was attacked!" Ralph speaks in a way that shows how he thinks of himself as better than Piggy and when we find out his father works in the navy and Piggy's auntie owns a sweet shop, our suspicious are confirmed. Ralph has an air of authority about him and he shows this when speaking; "I'm chief then." Piggy does not speak out as Ralph does and is therefore not respected and listened to as Ralph is with his commanding way of speech. Ralph is the sort of person who would have many followers and friends because of the way he delegates and instructs while you could imagine Piggy not to have many at all. Ralph speaks in a way that makes you want to listen. I agree, it is quite obvious from the start that Ralph sees Piggy as low class. There speech says a lot about how they see themselves and others. Ralph has a distinct confidence in his speech, whilst Piggy is a little shy. Ralph's commanding voice could be influenced from his father that worlds in the navy. Ralph's shyness could be from the fact that he has had a hard upbringing. |
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Post by zoel on Feb 1, 2015 8:50:52 GMT
Piggy has quite poor English and frequently says "was" instead of "were" and this gives the reader the idea of poor education. Even though Ralph speaks with better grammar, he speaks a great deal less than Piggy and doesn't engage in the social politeness of asking Piggy's name. this gives a sense that Ralph is of a higher class as he expects people to just tell him their name but doesn't see the need in knowing theirs.
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Post by laurah on Feb 1, 2015 9:05:41 GMT
Ralph speaks with confidence and is not interested in Piggy which gives him authority. Piggy speaks with a cockney accent by saying things such as "All them other kids" and "Them fruit" whereas Ralph speaks with a more proper accent. This shows that he is from a middle-class home, giving him a higher social status. I agree that Ralph is much more confident than Piggy is and he definitely has that sort of accent which sets him apart from the others. I think that Ralph would be very influenced by his father's position in the navy whereas Piggy doesn't have that sort of person to look up to. I agree that Ralph's father is an influence on Ralph's view on his own authority and social status. Piggy's only parental figure is his auntie, who works in a sweet shop, providing Piggy with none of the luxuries Ralph would have. |
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Post by mattsmart on Feb 1, 2015 9:29:52 GMT
Ralph speaks with confidence and is not interested in Piggy which gives him authority. Piggy speaks with a cockney accent by saying things such as "All them other kids" and "Them fruit" whereas Ralph speaks with a more proper accent. This shows that he is from a middle-class home, giving him a higher social status. Right from the start you can really see the difference in Ralph and Piggy, as Ralph would always speak correctly and pronounce sentences the correct way shpwing that he had a good middle-class life before the crash. Piggy on the other hand has trouble trying to pronouce words and cannot give proper sentences, which gives the reader the idea that Ralph is higher in society and by all means more powerful then Piggy. |
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Post by remimckenzie on Feb 1, 2015 13:18:48 GMT
Ralph and Piggy have never met each other before. How does the difference in their speech establish for the reader the difference in their social status and authority? When you first meet Ralph and Piggy you can tell what sort of relationship they are going to have with Piggy chasing after Ralph. The reader can sense that Piggy would be considered a lower class than Ralph through they way he speaks; "We was attacked!" Ralph speaks in a way that shows how he thinks of himself as better than Piggy and when we find out his father works in the navy and Piggy's auntie owns a sweet shop, our suspicious are confirmed. Ralph has an air of authority about him and he shows this when speaking; "I'm chief then." Piggy does not speak out as Ralph does and is therefore not respected and listened to as Ralph is with his commanding way of speech. Ralph is the sort of person who would have many followers and friends because of the way he delegates and instructs while you could imagine Piggy not to have many at all. Ralph speaks in a way that makes you want to listen. As a result of the better speech, he along with others believe that he must have a higher ranking than Piggy. You can tell from the fact that Piggy asks for his name, however Ralph does not ask in return. You can presume that this is because he has a higher social ranking than Piggy, and does not believe that his name is important to him. |
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Post by mackenzieg on Feb 1, 2015 13:26:34 GMT
Ralph speaks with confidence and is not interested in Piggy which gives him authority. Piggy speaks with a cockney accent by saying things such as "All them other kids" and "Them fruit" whereas Ralph speaks with a more proper accent. This shows that he is from a middle-class home, giving him a higher social status. i agree that he speaks with a lesser english than Ralph and that this makes Ralph seem higher up in the ranks. it may be also because ralph dismisses things that piggy says or just doesn't listen altogether making it seem like he doesn't care for what he has to say. |
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Post by zoebia on Feb 1, 2015 14:29:40 GMT
Ralph speaks with confidence and is not interested in Piggy which gives him authority. Piggy speaks with a cockney accent by saying things such as "All them other kids" and "Them fruit" whereas Ralph speaks with a more proper accent. This shows that he is from a middle-class home, giving him a higher social status. i agree that the way they speak you can straight away tell the different upbringings they have both been a part of. also you can see by the way Ralph seems very uninterested meaning that he doesn't have a fear, like he doesn't expect he'll be spending much more time with piggy, where as even through just the questions and statements piggy exclaims, you can already see how much more of a realist he is. |
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Post by elisegrant on Feb 1, 2015 20:45:13 GMT
Ralph and Piggy have very different speech. Ralph speaks more formally than Piggy does and with more authority and confidence. This also shows that Ralph was brought up in a very 'proper' family lifestyle. Piggy would of come from a more lower class and you can tell this by his speech because he says things like "When we were coming down I looked through one of them windows". This shows he may not have had a proper education even though you can see he is intelligent.
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Post by elisegrant on Feb 1, 2015 20:49:04 GMT
I agree that Ralph is much more confident than Piggy is and he definitely has that sort of accent which sets him apart from the others. I think that Ralph would be very influenced by his father's position in the navy whereas Piggy doesn't have that sort of person to look up to. I agree that Ralph's father is an influence on Ralph's view on his own authority and social status. Piggy's only parental figure is his auntie, who works in a sweet shop, providing Piggy with none of the luxuries Ralph would have. i agree with both Isabelle and Laura that Ralph's father's job would of had an effect on Ralph, making him more superior than the other boys and Piggy is different to Ralph because he only has his aunty and doesn't have a father figure to look up to. Ralph being from a higher class would also mean that he wouldn't interact with people like Piggy. |
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Post by stewarts on Feb 2, 2015 0:34:46 GMT
Ralph speaks with confidence and is not interested in Piggy which gives him authority. Piggy speaks with a cockney accent by saying things such as "All them other kids" and "Them fruit" whereas Ralph speaks with a more proper accent. This shows that he is from a middle-class home, giving him a higher social status. I agree with this corey, Ralph could believe he has a higher social status after his meeting with him, when Ralph realised Piggy isn't as confident as him. |
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Post by lindadate on Feb 4, 2015 7:42:10 GMT
Piggy has quite poor English and frequently says "was" instead of "were" and this gives the reader the idea of poor education. Even though Ralph speaks with better grammar, he speaks a great deal less than Piggy and doesn't engage in the social politeness of asking Piggy's name. this gives a sense that Ralph is of a higher class as he expects people to just tell him their name but doesn't see the need in knowing theirs. I agree, Piggy's poor English strongly suggests that Piggy was brought up with a lower education by an aunt who owned a sweet shop, whereas Ralph's father had a much more highly regarded job in the British Navy and therefore his family also had a higher social status. |
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