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Post by MsElliott on Feb 4, 2015 12:43:46 GMT
Although the chapter ends with the boys apparently united again, there are by now serious signs that their community is beginning to break up. What are the signs?
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Post by stewarts on Feb 5, 2015 6:49:13 GMT
The signs are that the hunters are beginning to disobey their orders set forwarth by Ralph, Jack uses the fire watchers to help the, kill the pig. This, of course, ends up being a mistake as the flame goes out and a ship sails by without seeing any smoke. Jack is now becoming aggresive towards Piggy, as he pushes him down and breaks one lens in Piggy's specs. Ralph is becoming envious of the fun that the hunters are having. You can also tell things are breaking up when Ralph abandons the boys by the beach to run to tne fire without discussing his decision with the group. This makes a line of seperated boys have to run up the mountain to the flame, symbolically meaning they aren't moving together anymore.
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Post by lilyklunyk on Feb 5, 2015 7:18:15 GMT
The "littluns" keep to themselves and don't interact with the other boys much. Jack disobeys Ralph's orders by taking the twins to hunt and leaving the fire unattended. This causes another argument between Jack and Ralph and ends with Jack attacking Piggy. Ralph's authority over the other boys continues to diminish and that makes Jack stronger. Ralph was envious that the hunters are having fun and are the centre of attention while all of the boys were eating the pig. The community is struggling to stay together.
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Post by Hope15 on Feb 5, 2015 8:22:18 GMT
The "littluns" keep to themselves and don't interact with the other boys much. Jack disobeys Ralph's orders by taking the twins to hunt and leaving the fire unattended. This causes another argument between Jack and Ralph and ends with Jack attacking Piggy. Ralph's authority over the other boys continues to diminish and that makes Jack stronger. Ralph was envious that the hunters are having fun and are the centre of attention while all of the boys were eating the pig. The community is struggling to stay together. A sense of uprising and rebellion is also starting to form as the Jack and his hunters are beginning to disobey orders. I think that after their kill they feel more blood hungry and therefore think they have more power to bend the rules. |
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Post by kayleewilliams on Feb 5, 2015 9:07:34 GMT
The signs are that the hunters are beginning to disobey their orders set forwarth by Ralph, Jack uses the fire watchers to help the, kill the pig. This, of course, ends up being a mistake as the flame goes out and a ship sails by without seeing any smoke. Jack is now becoming aggresive towards Piggy, as he pushes him down and breaks one lens in Piggy's specs. Ralph is becoming envious of the fun that the hunters are having. You can also tell things are breaking up when Ralph abandons the boys by the beach to run to tne fire without discussing his decision with the group. This makes a line of seperated boys have to run up the mountain to the flame, symbolically meaning they aren't moving together anymore. This again shows that without a proper show of leadership, the boys are unable to work together properly, jeopardising their chance of survival. |
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Post by zoewatson on Feb 5, 2015 10:14:28 GMT
The signs are that the hunters are beginning to disobey their orders set forwarth by Ralph, Jack uses the fire watchers to help the, kill the pig. This, of course, ends up being a mistake as the flame goes out and a ship sails by without seeing any smoke. Jack is now becoming aggresive towards Piggy, as he pushes him down and breaks one lens in Piggy's specs. Ralph is becoming envious of the fun that the hunters are having. You can also tell things are breaking up when Ralph abandons the boys by the beach to run to tne fire without discussing his decision with the group. This makes a line of seperated boys have to run up the mountain to the flame, symbolically meaning they aren't moving together anymore. With everything going on on the island it is causing a lot of tension. This unfortunately means that the civilised group could easily snap and fall apart. This shows that in this situation proper leadership needs to be present and the boys need to be bike to work together in order to survive. |
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Post by remimckenzie on Feb 5, 2015 10:36:46 GMT
The "littluns" keep to themselves and don't interact with the other boys much. Jack disobeys Ralph's orders by taking the twins to hunt and leaving the fire unattended. This causes another argument between Jack and Ralph and ends with Jack attacking Piggy. Ralph's authority over the other boys continues to diminish and that makes Jack stronger. Ralph was envious that the hunters are having fun and are the centre of attention while all of the boys were eating the pig. The community is struggling to stay together. I believe that later on in the book, they might struggle even more to stick together as they aren't acting as civilised as the boys were before. I think there will be real struggles between Jack and Ralph later on as the novel progresses. |
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Post by elisegrant on Feb 5, 2015 10:38:30 GMT
The signs are that the hunters are beginning to disobey their orders set forwarth by Ralph, Jack uses the fire watchers to help the, kill the pig. This, of course, ends up being a mistake as the flame goes out and a ship sails by without seeing any smoke. Jack is now becoming aggresive towards Piggy, as he pushes him down and breaks one lens in Piggy's specs. Ralph is becoming envious of the fun that the hunters are having. You can also tell things are breaking up when Ralph abandons the boys by the beach to run to tne fire without discussing his decision with the group. This makes a line of seperated boys have to run up the mountain to the flame, symbolically meaning they aren't moving together anymore. This again shows that without a proper show of leadership, the boys are unable to work together properly, jeopardising their chance of survival. I agree with both comments. I think while the boys are starting to disobey Ralph's orders, Jack is taking the opportunity to get as many people on his side he can but also get as many people as he can think he is leader material. |
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Post by coreym on Feb 5, 2015 10:39:29 GMT
The signs are that the hunters are beginning to disobey their orders set forwarth by Ralph, Jack uses the fire watchers to help the, kill the pig. This, of course, ends up being a mistake as the flame goes out and a ship sails by without seeing any smoke. Jack is now becoming aggresive towards Piggy, as he pushes him down and breaks one lens in Piggy's specs. Ralph is becoming envious of the fun that the hunters are having. You can also tell things are breaking up when Ralph abandons the boys by the beach to run to tne fire without discussing his decision with the group. This makes a line of seperated boys have to run up the mountain to the flame, symbolically meaning they aren't moving together anymore. I think that is a good point about how Ralph abandons the boys. I think as the novel progresses we will see two different groups form, Jack and Ralph's. Because Jack is now becoming more aggressive he may take things further and hurt another person badly. |
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Post by emah on Feb 5, 2015 10:57:15 GMT
The "littluns" keep to themselves and don't interact with the other boys much. Jack disobeys Ralph's orders by taking the twins to hunt and leaving the fire unattended. This causes another argument between Jack and Ralph and ends with Jack attacking Piggy. Ralph's authority over the other boys continues to diminish and that makes Jack stronger. Ralph was envious that the hunters are having fun and are the centre of attention while all of the boys were eating the pig. The community is struggling to stay together. A sense of uprising and rebellion is also starting to form as the Jack and his hunters are beginning to disobey orders. I think that after their kill they feel more blood hungry and therefore think they have more power to bend the rules. As Jack feels like he is a leader, he only sees himself get better. After the kill of the pig, he takes the credit and gets annoyed as people aren't being grateful of him. Ralph has been annoyed at Jack for losing their ship, so won't congratulate him, which causes tight tensions between the two main leaders. If they split apart, the others have to choose sides and could then leave one side more vulnerable than the other. |
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Post by jemimareid on Feb 7, 2015 11:14:12 GMT
The "littluns" keep to themselves and don't interact with the other boys much. Jack disobeys Ralph's orders by taking the twins to hunt and leaving the fire unattended. This causes another argument between Jack and Ralph and ends with Jack attacking Piggy. Ralph's authority over the other boys continues to diminish and that makes Jack stronger. Ralph was envious that the hunters are having fun and are the centre of attention while all of the boys were eating the pig. The community is struggling to stay together. A sense of uprising and rebellion is also starting to form as the Jack and his hunters are beginning to disobey orders. I think that after their kill they feel more blood hungry and therefore think they have more power to bend the rules. I agree. I think the hunters are starting represent dictatorship and war. Because Jack, as their leader, seems to possess the unwavering focus on conquering something that you would see in dictators and war generals |
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Post by zoebia on Feb 8, 2015 5:31:57 GMT
The "littluns" keep to themselves and don't interact with the other boys much. Jack disobeys Ralph's orders by taking the twins to hunt and leaving the fire unattended. This causes another argument between Jack and Ralph and ends with Jack attacking Piggy. Ralph's authority over the other boys continues to diminish and that makes Jack stronger. Ralph was envious that the hunters are having fun and are the centre of attention while all of the boys were eating the pig. The community is struggling to stay together. A sense of uprising and rebellion is also starting to form as the Jack and his hunters are beginning to disobey orders. I think that after their kill they feel more blood hungry and therefore think they have more power to bend the rules. i think the main reason the community is breaking up is because of the problems with Ralph and Jack. I agree that Ralph's authority is being diminished, and jack is coming more powerful because the boys that hunt with him think he is fun and more exciting then Ralph |
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Post by emilyhadzalic on Feb 16, 2015 9:54:31 GMT
Although the chapter ends with the boys apparently united again, there are by now serious signs that their community is beginning to break up. What are the signs? Even though Ralph still has some influence over the boys, he's losing respect amongst them because everybody is starting to favour Jack. Ralph wasn't able to stop Jack from breaking Piggy's glasses, which could show that he's starting to lose his grip over the boys. The boys also quickly forget about Ralph when they start reenacting the killing of the pig and eating its meat which causes Ralph to have to order everybody down the mountain for a meeting. Ralph having to start a meeting just to get the boys attention could be a sign that he's struggling for their respect, since he now has to try a lot harder to get them to pay attention. |
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Post by lilyklunyk on Feb 18, 2015 5:19:33 GMT
Although the chapter ends with the boys apparently united again, there are by now serious signs that their community is beginning to break up. What are the signs? Even though Ralph still has some influence over the boys, he's losing respect amongst them because everybody is starting to favour Jack. Ralph wasn't able to stop Jack from breaking Piggy's glasses, which could show that he's starting to lose his grip over the boys. The boys also quickly forget about Ralph when they start reenacting the killing of the pig and eating its meat which causes Ralph to have to order everybody down the mountain for a meeting. Ralph having to start a meeting just to get the boys attention could be a sign that he's struggling for their respect, since he now has to try a lot harder to get them to pay attention. I also think that Ralph is losing his respect amongst the boys. Since Jack killed the pig, the other boys see him as brave and adventurous. When the hunters are re-enacting the killing, they are all having fun, but Ralph is left out because he wasn't a part of the 'exciting' moment. |
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Post by mackenzieg on Feb 18, 2015 10:30:10 GMT
The signs are that the hunters are beginning to disobey their orders set forwarth by Ralph, Jack uses the fire watchers to help the, kill the pig. This, of course, ends up being a mistake as the flame goes out and a ship sails by without seeing any smoke. Jack is now becoming aggresive towards Piggy, as he pushes him down and breaks one lens in Piggy's specs. Ralph is becoming envious of the fun that the hunters are having. You can also tell things are breaking up when Ralph abandons the boys by the beach to run to tne fire without discussing his decision with the group. This makes a line of seperated boys have to run up the mountain to the flame, symbolically meaning they aren't moving together anymore. I think you are absolutely right about the boys not working together anymore because it shows later on in the book that this incident set jack and Ralph apart by a great distance and that everything in this chapter was very significant. |
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