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Post by MsElliott on Feb 22, 2015 18:18:30 GMT
What happens to the shell and the glasses during this chapter? What do these events signify?
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Post by lindadate on Feb 25, 2015 7:15:03 GMT
The glasses, Piggy's glasses, are stolen from Ralph's tribe by Jack and some of his hunters, meaning that Jack can now make fire, but Ralph cannot. This signifies the change of power on the island. Whoever has the glasses also has fire, meaning they have protection, a way to cook and control over whether they are rescued or not. Piggy and Ralph have always had this power, but now it has been taken away. Jack's tribe did not, however, take the conch. The conch represents order, authority and civilisation, and the fact that Jack didn't take it signifies that he doesn't care for order. Jack now gets what he wants using savagery.
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Post by zoewatson on Feb 25, 2015 8:45:03 GMT
The glasses, Piggy's glasses, are stolen from Ralph's tribe by Jack and some of his hunters, meaning that Jack can now make fire, but Ralph cannot. This signifies the change of power on the island. Whoever has the glasses also has fire, meaning they have protection, a way to cook and control over whether they are rescued or not. Piggy and Ralph have always had this power, but now it has been taken away. Jack's tribe did not, however, take the conch. The conch represents order, authority and civilisation, and the fact that Jack didn't take it signifies that he doesn't care for order. Jack now gets what he wants using savagery. Now that Ralph does not have the power of the glasses and Piggy cannot see, Jack is surely going to play this to his advantage. it is a good point the Jack doesn't want the conch because he doesn't want order on the island. Without order Jack can command anything upon his tribe and he has total control over his tribe. |
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Post by zoewatson on Feb 25, 2015 9:12:04 GMT
What happens to the shell and the glasses during this chapter? What do these events signify? During this chapter we see Jacks tribe steal Piggys glasses, but not the conch. Jack wants the glasses because it means fire. It's the fire signal that Ralph can't have, yet the cooking fire Jack can have. Jack does not wish to have the conch, because it symbolises order and hope of rescue, but Jack does not wish to be rescued. |
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Post by elisegrant on Feb 25, 2015 11:16:28 GMT
In this chapter, Piggy's glasses are stolen by Jack and two of his hunters who come to Piggy, Ralph and Samneric's shelter. Jack is after Piggy's glasses because they need to light a fire to cook the pig they are going to catch, but also, his hunters ask him how they will light the fire and he doesn't know. He nows feels, that by stealing Piggy's glasses, that he has proven himself to his tribe after that embarrassing mistake. When the Jack and the hunters come to get the glasses, Piggy thinks that they have come to get the conch but he doesn't because the conch signifies the hope for rescue and order. These qualities are definitely not Jack because he has no intention of being rescued because he enjoys being on the island hunting.
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Post by zoel on Feb 26, 2015 5:28:59 GMT
in this chapter, jack steals from Ralph's tribe. Piggy and Ralph think Jack would steal the conch- their symbol of civilisation and authority- but Jack instead steals Piggy's glasses- an object that can create fire which is a destructive and uncontrollable element. the fact that Jack doesn't steal "civilisation" and instead steals "destruction" displays Jack's true purposes and motives. Both of these objects represent authority and power but the conch is a softer, more democratic authority whereas fire is more controlling ad desructive.
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Post by Hope15 on Feb 26, 2015 5:32:20 GMT
What happens to the shell and the glasses during this chapter? What do these events signify? During this chapter we see a shift in power. Jack and his hunters infiltrate Ralph's side of the island and steal Piggy's glasses to make a cooking fire. Without the glasses, piggy cannot see and Ralph cannot start a signal fire to catch a passing ships attention. Now that Ralph is powerless to create fire, Jack has the upper hand as he can cook and provide protection. Jack is now in the position to decided whether or not they will be rescued. |
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Post by emah on Feb 26, 2015 6:42:42 GMT
In this chapter, Piggy's glasses are stolen by Jack and two of his hunters who come to Piggy, Ralph and Samneric's shelter. Jack is after Piggy's glasses because they need to light a fire to cook the pig they are going to catch, but also, his hunters ask him how they will light the fire and he doesn't know. He nows feels, that by stealing Piggy's glasses, that he has proven himself to his tribe after that embarrassing mistake. When the Jack and the hunters come to get the glasses, Piggy thinks that they have come to get the conch but he doesn't because the conch signifies the hope for rescue and order. These qualities are definitely not Jack because he has no intention of being rescued because he enjoys being on the island hunting. We can see Jack's intentions for living on the Island. By stealing Piggy's glasses, he can now stay full with cooked meat in order to survive. I think he thought extra evilly by taking the advantage away from Ralph's group. He didn't steal the conch though, because it held no use for the group's new lifestyle. Which is a lifestyle without order and equality. |
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Post by coreym on Feb 26, 2015 7:04:53 GMT
What happens to the shell and the glasses during this chapter? What do these events signify? During this chapter Piggys glasses are stolen by Jacks tribe. They took his glasses so they could light fires and have power over Ralph. However, they don't attempt to steal the conch, which represents authority, order and civilisation. This shows that Jack only wants power and doesn't want civilisation. |
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Post by lilyklunyk on Feb 26, 2015 9:41:46 GMT
What happens to the shell and the glasses during this chapter? What do these events signify? During this chapter we see a shift in power. Jack and his hunters infiltrate Ralph's side of the island and steal Piggy's glasses to make a cooking fire. Without the glasses, piggy cannot see and Ralph cannot start a signal fire to catch a passing ships attention. Now that Ralph is powerless to create fire, Jack has the upper hand as he can cook and provide protection. Jack is now in the position to decided whether or not they will be rescued. This signifies the probable end of civilisation, Ralph's tribe and hope of rescue. |
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Post by remimckenzie on Feb 26, 2015 11:01:20 GMT
What happens to the shell and the glasses during this chapter? What do these events signify? The glasses who are Piggy's are stolen from Jack and his boys whilst Ralph and his boys are sleeping throughout the night. Jack steals the glasses in order to make a fire for the other boys so they can eat the food they have hunted. When Jack takes Piggy's glasses, this represents the taking of civilisation to create something much worse. However, it is noticed that Jack leaves the conch as the conch shows order and laws to live by, which is not how Jack "plays it". He lives but whatever rules are good for him, instead of the rules of civilisation which was first established. |
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Post by mattsmart on Feb 26, 2015 11:04:56 GMT
The Stole piggys glasses because they represent power and that is all the jack wants. They also took them so they could start and build a fire to cook their meat. The conch is there for the taking when jack and his boys raid Ralph and Piggy but they do not take it as the conch represents authority and civilisation, and because jack didn't take the conch because he does not want the island to be civilised
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Post by laurah on Feb 26, 2015 11:38:45 GMT
What happens to the shell and the glasses during this chapter? What do these events signify? During this chapter we see a shift in power. Jack and his hunters infiltrate Ralph's side of the island and steal Piggy's glasses to make a cooking fire. Without the glasses, piggy cannot see and Ralph cannot start a signal fire to catch a passing ships attention. Now that Ralph is powerless to create fire, Jack has the upper hand as he can cook and provide protection. Jack is now in the position to decided whether or not they will be rescued. The shell is still in Ralph's hands, but he has lost the power to convince and influence others as he has become wild. Jack didn't need to take the conch to disadvantage Ralph. These events signify the change in power and as a result, their poor chances of being rescued. |
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Post by laurah on Feb 26, 2015 11:44:02 GMT
What happens to the shell and the glasses during this chapter? What do these events signify? The shell is still in Ralph's hands, but he has lost the power to use it effectively as he has become wild. The glasses are stolen by Jack and his hunters, giving them the opportunity to use it selfishly or for rescue. These events signify that Jack's primitivity has won over Ralph's civilised nature, and their chances of rescue are none. |
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Post by emilyhadzalic on Mar 4, 2015 20:45:40 GMT
What happens to the shell and the glasses during this chapter? What do these events signify? Roger pushes the rock onto Piggy, who was holding the conch, and they both get destroyed. Piggy's head cracks open and he falls into the ocean and the conch shatters and disappears. These events signify that life on the island has become so savage that all reasoning (what Piggy represented) and order (What the conch represented) have been destroyed. Jack is still left with the glasses though, which symbolise hope, so that could mean that there's still some hope left on the island. |
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