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Post by MsElliott on Feb 2, 2015 0:28:41 GMT
Ralph appears to be becoming disillusioned with the organisation on the island. How is this shown? (p.64)
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Post by kayleewilliams on Feb 2, 2015 11:57:04 GMT
Ralph appears to be becoming disillusioned with the organisation on the island. How is this shown? (p.64) Ralph mentions how the boys are all off playing in the water and on the beaches, not doing their assigned jobs. He doesn't seem to have much control over them, as they appear to only do their tasks for five minutes before wandering off. When mentioning this to Simon and Jack, they tell him that he's the chief and it's his job to get them back on task, but he chooses not to. |
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Post by lilyklunyk on Feb 3, 2015 5:33:13 GMT
Ralph complains about how the boys are turning out to be useless, but he won't do anything to fix it. He says that conversation during the meetings has fallen into a recurring pattern; the boys would suggest something to build, they would help Ralph build it for five minutes, then they would run off to have fun and Ralph would be stuck trying to finish it on his own. Ralph didn't realise that he should tell the boys off, seeing as though he is chief, until Simon mentions it. He is yet to do anything about the the problem though.
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Post by isabelleewert on Feb 3, 2015 6:58:16 GMT
Ralph appears to be becoming disillusioned with the organisation on the island. How is this shown? (p.64) Ralph does acknowledge that there is a problem with the organisation on the island. He says "They're off bathing, or eating, or playing." however, makes no move to tell them to help build the shelters once Simon reminds him that he is chief and has authority. Ralph seems to have almost forgotten the situation they are in and although he was working on building shelters with Simon he doesn't seem as though he understands the complete situation they are in. Ralph recalls the problems that the group has but looks like he has given up on trying to get the boys to do something constructive without even trying to control them. |
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Post by Yor a wizard Harry!! (Ashton) on Feb 3, 2015 7:04:22 GMT
Ralph appears to be becoming disillusioned with the organisation on the island. How is this shown? (p.64) Ralph does acknowledge that there is a problem with the organisation on the island. He says "They're off bathing, or eating, or playing." however, makes no move to tell them to help build the shelters once Simon reminds him that he is chief and has authority. Ralph seems to have almost forgotten the situation they are in and although he was working on building shelters with Simon he doesn't seem as though he understands the complete situation they are in. Ralph recalls the problems that the group has but looks like he has given up on trying to get the boys to do something constructive without even trying to control them. I agree Isabelle, Ralph has seemed to forget his position and the position the rest of the boys are in. He needs to use his leadership skills as he did in the first chapter, he needs to bring the boys back together. |
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Post by isabelleewert on Feb 3, 2015 7:28:03 GMT
Ralph appears to be becoming disillusioned with the organisation on the island. How is this shown? (p.64) Ralph mentions how the boys are all off playing in the water and on the beaches, not doing their assigned jobs. He doesn't seem to have much control over them, as they appear to only do their tasks for five minutes before wandering off. When mentioning this to Simon and Jack, they tell him that he's the chief and it's his job to get them back on task, but he chooses not to. Ralph doesn't understand that they are in a very difficult situation and he needs to step up and take leadership over the group of boys. He doesn't seem to be controlling how they wander off from their jobs. |
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Post by remimckenzie on Feb 3, 2015 7:42:06 GMT
Ralph appears to be becoming disillusioned with the organisation on the island. How is this shown? (p.64) Ralph's organisation of the island and the boys has seemed to drop. The boys that Ralph is in charge of are often running around not doing much, whilst himself and Simon are left to try and build the shelters that they need to keep safe. He mentions how he could attempt to tell them to get back in order and try to make the kids help build the shelters, but it is seems to be a pattern as he tells them to do something, but not actually end up doing it. Maybe he could try be a little more assertive but then again the a majority of the boys are quite small, and aren't sure of yet what hard labour is as they are so young. |
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Post by mattsmart on Feb 3, 2015 8:00:47 GMT
Ralph notices that the boys are not doing their assigned jobs and they are just out playing in the water and on the beach. Simon and Jack tell ralph that it is his job to take control over the boys and its his job to get them back on track doing their assigned jobs, He decides to leave it and do nothing.
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Post by lilyklunyk on Feb 3, 2015 8:33:34 GMT
Ralph appears to be becoming disillusioned with the organisation on the island. How is this shown? (p.64) Ralph's organisation of the island and the boys has seemed to drop. The boys that Ralph is in charge of are often running around not doing much, whilst himself and Simon are left to try and build the shelters that they need to keep safe. He mentions how he could attempt to tell them to get back in order and try to make the kids help build the shelters, but it is seems to be a pattern as he tells them to do something, but not actually end up doing it. Maybe he could try be a little more assertive but then again the a majority of the boys are quite small, and aren't sure of yet what hard labour is as they are so young. You're right when saying he could be more assertive. I think he is worried that the other boys won't want him as chief if he tells them to do work when they want to do other things. That might be why the boys didn't pick Jack to be chief. The boys felt as though Jack would be very controlling, whereas Ralph is more laid back and let's them get away with not helping out. |
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Post by zoewatson on Feb 3, 2015 9:18:22 GMT
Ralph appears to be becoming disillusioned with the organisation on the island. How is this shown? (p.64) Ralph mentions how the boys are all off playing in the water and on the beaches, not doing their assigned jobs. He doesn't seem to have much control over them, as they appear to only do their tasks for five minutes before wandering off. When mentioning this to Simon and Jack, they tell him that he's the chief and it's his job to get them back on task, but he chooses not to. It seems weird that Ralph isn't using his authority figure to keep the boys in line. Simon and Ralph are working hard on the shelters while others play in the water and ignore the assigned jobs. The boys are all slacking off and he doesn't like it, so why won't he fix it? It seems as if Ralph is just announcing the issue but not resolving it. |
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Post by laurah on Feb 3, 2015 10:19:47 GMT
Ralph appears to be becoming disillusioned with the organisation on the island. How is this shown? (p.64) Ralph does acknowledge that there is a problem with the organisation on the island. He says "They're off bathing, or eating, or playing." however, makes no move to tell them to help build the shelters once Simon reminds him that he is chief and has authority. Ralph seems to have almost forgotten the situation they are in and although he was working on building shelters with Simon he doesn't seem as though he understands the complete situation they are in. Ralph recalls the problems that the group has but looks like he has given up on trying to get the boys to do something constructive without even trying to control them. I agree, I think Ralph has gotten tired of trying to control the boys. He realises that he can only catch their attention for a few minutes before they become distracted, and he doesn't know how to fix this. Soon after discussing this with Jack, they too join in the bathing and playing. |
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Post by jemimareid on Feb 3, 2015 10:27:27 GMT
Ralph appears to be becoming disillusioned with the organisation on the island. How is this shown? (p.64) Ralph does acknowledge that there is a problem with the organisation on the island. He says "They're off bathing, or eating, or playing." however, makes no move to tell them to help build the shelters once Simon reminds him that he is chief and has authority. Ralph seems to have almost forgotten the situation they are in and although he was working on building shelters with Simon he doesn't seem as though he understands the complete situation they are in. Ralph recalls the problems that the group has but looks like he has given up on trying to get the boys to do something constructive without even trying to control them. I agree. It makes me wonder if Ralph actually has the leader ship skills to be in charge or perhaps we were mistaken in assuming. Because he seems to have lost his ability to be proactive and has sunk into materdom. |
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Post by elisegrant on Feb 3, 2015 10:37:00 GMT
Ralph does acknowledge that there is a problem with the organisation on the island. He says "They're off bathing, or eating, or playing." however, makes no move to tell them to help build the shelters once Simon reminds him that he is chief and has authority. Ralph seems to have almost forgotten the situation they are in and although he was working on building shelters with Simon he doesn't seem as though he understands the complete situation they are in. Ralph recalls the problems that the group has but looks like he has given up on trying to get the boys to do something constructive without even trying to control them. I agree Isabelle, Ralph has seemed to forget his position and the position the rest of the boys are in. He needs to use his leadership skills as he did in the first chapter, he needs to bring the boys back together. I agree with both of you. Ralph hasn't been showing much leadership and hasn't been taking control of anything on the island. He doesn't do anything to interact with the other boys except for having the meetings and they aren't taking him seriously. |
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Post by zoebia on Feb 3, 2015 10:52:47 GMT
Ralph appears to be becoming disillusioned with the organisation on the island. How is this shown? (p.64) Ralph does acknowledge that there is a problem with the organisation on the island. He says "They're off bathing, or eating, or playing." however, makes no move to tell them to help build the shelters once Simon reminds him that he is chief and has authority. Ralph seems to have almost forgotten the situation they are in and although he was working on building shelters with Simon he doesn't seem as though he understands the complete situation they are in. Ralph recalls the problems that the group has but looks like he has given up on trying to get the boys to do something constructive without even trying to control them. i agree, i also think that with that he needs to show more leadership as chief, and get the boys to work harder instead of just taking to simon and and jack about it |
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Post by stewarts on Feb 3, 2015 11:03:51 GMT
Ralph mentions to Jack and Simon that it is becoming increasingy difficult to keep the boys in order, as they do their job for 5 minutes and then become sidetracked. They tell Ralph that he is the chief, and if h wants to fix the job he will have to do it himself, which he decides not to.
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