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Post by MsElliott on Jan 30, 2015 0:49:07 GMT
Why does Ralph allow Jack to remain in charge of the choir?
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Post by emah on Feb 1, 2015 7:02:03 GMT
Jack loses the vote for him to be chief, however Ralph feels as though he should offer Jack something. Because the choir had been under the charge of Jack anyway, this wasn't a big change. Although, now Jack chose to define them as a closed separate circle inside the whole group by making them the hunters. Ralph is still in change of everyone, but by allowing Jack to lead the choir, he regains a better relationship with Jack as he was obviously upset by not being chosen for chief.
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Post by zoewatson on Feb 1, 2015 7:21:59 GMT
Jack loses the vote for him to be chief, however Ralph feels as though he should offer Jack something. Because the choir had been under the charge of Jack anyway, this wasn't a big change. Although, now Jack chose to define them as a closed separate circle inside the whole group by making them the hunters. Ralph is still in change of everyone, but by allowing Jack to lead the choir, he regains a better relationship with Jack as he was obviously upset by not being chosen for chief. It was certainly a nice gesture, for Ralph to allow Jack to remain in charge of the choir. Even if Ralph hadn't allowed this, Jack probably would have fought to be in charge of the choir because he was already disappointed in not being voted chief. So Ralphs move could have actually avoided future conflict between the two. |
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Post by kate Fincham on Feb 1, 2015 7:30:56 GMT
Why does Ralph allow Jack to remain in charge of the choir? It's very clear to the reader how much control Jack has over the choir, Ralph probably realised he couldn't compete with Jack for leadership of the choir. It's also probable that Ralph saw the leadership qualities Jack possessed (he's very controlling and keeps the choir on a tight leash) and admired him for them. He probably thought giving Jack control of the choir as a guesture of good faith would make Jack like him. Furthermore Ralph might have seen that Jack wasnt the type of person he wanted as his enemy and, realising he was furious when Ralph was voted as the chief, tried to keep him docile by giving him the choir. |
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Post by laurah on Feb 1, 2015 8:00:47 GMT
Why does Ralph allow Jack to remain in charge of the choir? It's very clear to the reader how much control Jack has over the choir, Ralph probably realised he couldn't compete with Jack for leadership of the choir. It's also probable that Ralph saw the leadership qualities Jack possessed (he's very controlling and keeps the choir on a tight leash) and admired him for them. He probably thought giving Jack control of the choir as a guesture of good faith would make Jack like him. Furthermore Ralph might have seen that Jack wasnt the type of person he wanted as his enemy and, realising he was furious when Ralph was voted as the chief, tried to keep him docile by giving him the choir. While I agree that Ralph can see leadership qualities in Jack, I think that Ralph gave the choir to Jack because he could see that Jack has a quick temper, and would not be happy that his 'followers' were quickly taken from him. Giving him the choir was a way of pleasing and placating Jack. Ralph could easily take leadership of the choir, because the choir only voted for Jack in fear of him. |
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Post by zoel on Feb 1, 2015 9:07:57 GMT
Ralph doesn't have the firm desire to lead the group that Jack does, though he does believe that a vote is a fair way to do it. he then doesn't argue against what the group agreed. Jack openly stated that he wanted to lead. Ralph saw this and observed that Jack had full control over the choir. It may have been the obvious control that Jack had or the lack of "a need to control everyone" on Ralph's part that lead Jack to becoming the leader of the choir.
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Post by mattsmart on Feb 1, 2015 9:35:52 GMT
Jack loses the vote for him to be chief, however Ralph feels as though he should offer Jack something. Because the choir had been under the charge of Jack anyway, this wasn't a big change. Although, now Jack chose to define them as a closed separate circle inside the whole group by making them the hunters. Ralph is still in change of everyone, but by allowing Jack to lead the choir, he regains a better relationship with Jack as he was obviously upset by not being chosen for chief. It was a good idea by Ralph to let Jack keep charge of the choir group as he already knows all of the group and it would be easier for Jack to lead them because they would already normally listen to Jack and what he needs to say. Ralph is yet still in charge of everyone but having a little sub group for hunting was also a good idea and for Jack to choose the choir for hunting was a another good idea as they already have the connection as a group. |
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Post by coreym on Feb 1, 2015 10:39:21 GMT
Jack loses the vote for him to be chief, however Ralph feels as though he should offer Jack something. Because the choir had been under the charge of Jack anyway, this wasn't a big change. Although, now Jack chose to define them as a closed separate circle inside the whole group by making them the hunters. Ralph is still in change of everyone, but by allowing Jack to lead the choir, he regains a better relationship with Jack as he was obviously upset by not being chosen for chief. I agree with your answer. It was very good of Ralph to offer Jack to the lead the choir, because if he didn't it would have resulted in tension. But now they are on equal terms and both feel the decision was fair. |
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Post by emah on Feb 1, 2015 10:54:04 GMT
Ralph doesn't have the firm desire to lead the group that Jack does, though he does believe that a vote is a fair way to do it. he then doesn't argue against what the group agreed. Jack openly stated that he wanted to lead. Ralph saw this and observed that Jack had full control over the choir. It may have been the obvious control that Jack had or the lack of "a need to control everyone" on Ralph's part that lead Jack to becoming the leader of the choir. Yes, Ralph may have not been too worried about full control over the group. He doesn't know the choir the way Jack does in terms of skills and personal qualities which would make Jack a more suitable leader for them. By Ralph allowing Jack to take charge over the choir, they may start to act differently compared to how Ralph might have taken charge over them. |
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Post by remimckenzie on Feb 1, 2015 13:15:27 GMT
Why does Ralph allow Jack to remain in charge of the choir? Jack had just lost the vote to becoming chief, however Ralph feels as though he should have at least something. Therefore Ralph proclaimed to Jack that he could have his choir, both of them agreeing that the new name for the choir boys will be the hunters. So as Jack leads the hunters and Ralph leads the rest of the boys, all remains civil between them. This is better because Jack was obviously getting upset over the fact that he was not chosen to be the leader. |
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Post by mackenzieg on Feb 1, 2015 13:16:19 GMT
Jack loses the vote for him to be chief, however Ralph feels as though he should offer Jack something. Because the choir had been under the charge of Jack anyway, this wasn't a big change. Although, now Jack chose to define them as a closed separate circle inside the whole group by making them the hunters. Ralph is still in change of everyone, but by allowing Jack to lead the choir, he regains a better relationship with Jack as he was obviously upset by not being chosen for chief. i think it was a good idea for ralph to let jack have the choir because you're right, he does keep a better relationship with him and it could've turned into a fight and jack basically had control of them anyway. |
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Post by kayleewilliams on Feb 2, 2015 0:35:28 GMT
Why does Ralph allow Jack to remain in charge of the choir? Ralph seems to like Jack, and although Ralph was elected as chief, he felt as though Jack should also have something becAUSE he felt Jack could be a good leader. Considering Jack was also very upset about not being chosen, due to the only people voting for him being the choir, Ralph saw this as a good way to make amends, as the choir seemed (although reluctantly) happy to have Jack as chief. |
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Post by jemimareid on Feb 2, 2015 10:02:33 GMT
Why does Ralph allow Jack to remain in charge of the choir? Ralph allows jack to remain in control of the choir because he sees Jack is angry about not being elected chief and so to pacify him, gives him the small group to command, recognising that the choir is already loyal to Jack. This is proven by the way they listened to him he pushed them unreasonably through the heat, and followed his commands. He sees Jack as a powerful figure and that, if angered, could spell trouble for Ralph. He also admires jack. Though he is ugly in personality and otherwise, Jack’s fancy, private school boy clothes proclaim social superiority, however misplaced it might be. It speaks volumes about perhaps the time the setting is placed in. It seems to be in a time where it was true that private schools offered a better education than perhaps the public schools did. |
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Post by jemimareid on Feb 2, 2015 10:04:23 GMT
Jack loses the vote for him to be chief, however Ralph feels as though he should offer Jack something. Because the choir had been under the charge of Jack anyway, this wasn't a big change. Although, now Jack chose to define them as a closed separate circle inside the whole group by making them the hunters. Ralph is still in change of everyone, but by allowing Jack to lead the choir, he regains a better relationship with Jack as he was obviously upset by not being chosen for chief. I agree. But I think that Jack being in charge of the choir, though a good idea at the time, may spell trouble later because the choir boys will listen to Jack over Ralph, undermining Ralphs authority. |
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Post by lindadate on Feb 4, 2015 7:21:28 GMT
I think that Ralph's decision to let Jack keep control of the choir is to help win Jack's trust and friendship. If Ralph had taken control of the choir himself, Jack would have been angry and may have stirred up bad feelings among the other boys about Ralph's leadership.
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