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Post by MsElliott on Feb 11, 2015 10:05:10 GMT
Why do you think the biguns wait until the other boys are occupied to leave instead of supporting Jack's challenge during the meeting?
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Post by isabelleewert on Feb 17, 2015 10:07:04 GMT
Why do you think the biguns wait until the other boys are occupied to leave instead of supporting Jack's challenge during the meeting? I think that the other boys were sort of ashamed of wanting to go with Jack and be a hunter so had to sneak off while Ralph and others were occupied. I believe that the choir respect Ralph and his leadership however, they may feel obliged to or just want to be more adventurous and join the hunters group. The boys may also have wanted Jack to feel embarrassed after no one joined him initially or they wanted to Ralph a false sense of achievement. |
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Post by remimckenzie on Feb 18, 2015 3:53:47 GMT
Why do you think the biguns wait until the other boys are occupied to leave instead of supporting Jack's challenge during the meeting? I believe that they really didn't feel right turning on Ralph at that point. They feel a bit nervous for ditching Ralph when he was the main chief. Even though the hunters aren't really guided by Ralph, they still look up to him as their leader as well as Jack. However out of the respect for Jack, the hunters snuck off and rejoined with him. |
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Post by Hope15 on Feb 18, 2015 5:49:16 GMT
Why do you think the biguns wait until the other boys are occupied to leave instead of supporting Jack's challenge during the meeting? I think that the other boys were sort of ashamed of wanting to go with Jack and be a hunter so had to sneak off while Ralph and others were occupied. I believe that the choir respect Ralph and his leadership however, they may feel obliged to or just want to be more adventurous and join the hunters group. The boys may also have wanted Jack to feel embarrassed after no one joined him initially or they wanted to Ralph a false sense of achievement. I agree and I think that the respect that Ralph has gained from many of the older boys is because he is actually doing something to help them get rescued. Jack however, offers the boys so adventure and excitement which tempted the boys after the meeting concluded. |
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Post by zoel on Feb 18, 2015 7:16:56 GMT
The boys, from the start, we loyal to Ralph and I am sure they could see the conflicting sides of Jack and Ralph. They may not have had the courage to stand up for themselves and show everyone that they are no longer loyal to Ralph but have betrayed him by going to jack. the public show of devotion to the "other side" may have frightened the boys.
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Post by emah on Feb 18, 2015 8:13:46 GMT
Why do you think the biguns wait until the other boys are occupied to leave instead of supporting Jack's challenge during the meeting? I think the biguns were not sure about how to decide whether they stayed or not. Because adults or people with a higher status normally told them what to do, it was a different situation. They could stay with Ralph, who is determined to be rescued and has strong leadership, or go to Jack, who promised fun and freedom. As no one had voted Ralph out of being Chief, the boys still felt more assured with him. Because of this, they probably left without saying anything from shame. |
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Post by kayleewilliams on Feb 18, 2015 8:38:09 GMT
Why do you think the biguns wait until the other boys are occupied to leave instead of supporting Jack's challenge during the meeting? I think the choir boys waited until the other boys were occupied to leave instead of supporting Jack's challenge during the meeting because they felt ashamed to not want to follow their true leader, Ralph, out of respect for Jack, but decided in the end that they were better off following Jack. |
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Post by zoewatson on Feb 18, 2015 9:00:43 GMT
Why do you think the biguns wait until the other boys are occupied to leave instead of supporting Jack's challenge during the meeting? I think the choir boys waited until the other boys were occupied to leave instead of supporting Jack's challenge during the meeting because they felt ashamed to not want to follow their true leader, Ralph, out of respect for Jack, but decided in the end that they were better off following Jack. The boys did show some respect to Ralph, in the sense that they didn't leave Ralph straight away. This shows that even the boys wanted to be with Jack, they still had respect for Ralph. Also the other boys possibly don't realise that Jack wants to stay on the island and act like a savage. If they knew this they may want to stick with Ralph and be rescued. |
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Post by lilyklunyk on Feb 18, 2015 9:26:10 GMT
I think the some of the biguns waited until the other boys were occupied before they left to be with Jack because they didn't want to hurt Ralph's feelings and they may have felt ashamed of joining the savage side. Most of them had been Jack's followers since the choir and they felt as though they should follow him, even though they may have respected Ralph and thought he was a good leader. By leaving after the assembly, it showed that they thought about whether to follow Jack or stay and decided that they'd stay loyal to Jack.
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Post by Yor a wizard Harry!! (Ashton) on Feb 18, 2015 9:47:32 GMT
Why do you think the biguns wait until the other boys are occupied to leave instead of supporting Jack's challenge during the meeting? The boys seem to be having a dispute within themselves. They respect Ralph but are unsure what to do with Jacks offer. A problem has eluded many of the boys consciences, to stay with the chief, Ralph or go with the vicious nature of jack |
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Post by Yor a wizard Harry!! (Ashton) on Feb 18, 2015 10:10:57 GMT
Why do you think the biguns wait until the other boys are occupied to leave instead of supporting Jack's challenge during the meeting? I believe that they really didn't feel right turning on Ralph at that point. They feel a bit nervous for ditching Ralph when he was the main chief. Even though the hunters aren't really guided by Ralph, they still look up to him as their leader as well as Jack. However out of the respect for Jack, the hunters snuck off and rejoined with him. I agree with you Isabelle, they do not want to turn their backs on Ralph, but they also feel compelled about going with Jack. |
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Post by zoebia on Feb 18, 2015 10:17:08 GMT
I think that the other boys were sort of ashamed of wanting to go with Jack and be a hunter so had to sneak off while Ralph and others were occupied. I believe that the choir respect Ralph and his leadership however, they may feel obliged to or just want to be more adventurous and join the hunters group. The boys may also have wanted Jack to feel embarrassed after no one joined him initially or they wanted to Ralph a false sense of achievement. I agree and I think that the respect that Ralph has gained from many of the older boys is because he is actually doing something to help them get rescued. Jack however, offers the boys so adventure and excitement which tempted the boys after the meeting concluded. I think its true that they are lead by Jack but still respect Ralph enough. I think in a way they are ashamed, which shows when instead they sneak off |
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Post by Yor a wizard Harry!! (Ashton) on Feb 19, 2015 1:06:20 GMT
The boys, from the start, we loyal to Ralph and I am sure they could see the conflicting sides of Jack and Ralph. They may not have had the courage to stand up for themselves and show everyone that they are no longer loyal to Ralph but have betrayed him by going to jack. the public show of devotion to the "other side" may have frightened the boys. They are unsure of which way to turn, they don't want to invoke sadness on either of the boys. |
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Post by elisegrant on Feb 19, 2015 11:33:57 GMT
Why do you think the biguns wait until the other boys are occupied to leave instead of supporting Jack's challenge during the meeting? I think that the other boys were sort of ashamed of wanting to go with Jack and be a hunter so had to sneak off while Ralph and others were occupied. I believe that the choir respect Ralph and his leadership however, they may feel obliged to or just want to be more adventurous and join the hunters group. The boys may also have wanted Jack to feel embarrassed after no one joined him initially or they wanted to Ralph a false sense of achievement. I feel that most of the choir boys are still under Jacks spell so if they didn't go and join him, they would be punished is some sort of way. |
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Post by lindadate on Feb 22, 2015 0:39:48 GMT
I think some of the biguns are ashamed about betraying Ralph, after they had voted for him to be chief, and joining Jack's tribe. Ralph does not have meat, and he has rules, whereas Jack does have meat and he gives his tribe more freedom. The boys see Jack's tribe as the better option of the two.
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