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Post by MsElliott on Feb 22, 2015 18:17:56 GMT
Why didn't Jack and the hunters come for the conch?
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Post by isabelleewert on Feb 24, 2015 6:35:42 GMT
Why didn't Jack and the hunters come for the conch? Jack and his hunters did not want the conch as Piggy had expected rather they wanted Piggy's glasses. By the tribe not taking the conch, might suggest that Jack has no desire for a democratic sort of group but a tribe where Jack rules alone. The conch represented authority and predominantly the authority of Ralph so Jack would not want to have it. I think that not only did Jack take the glasses to light a fire, but it is also symbolic of a possible change in intelligence. |
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Post by emah on Feb 24, 2015 7:49:39 GMT
Why didn't Jack and the hunters come for the conch? Jack and his hunters did not want the conch as Piggy had expected rather they wanted Piggy's glasses. By the tribe not taking the conch, might suggest that Jack has no desire for a democratic sort of group but a tribe where Jack rules alone. The conch represented authority and predominantly the authority of Ralph so Jack would not want to have it. I think that not only did Jack take the glasses to light a fire, but it is also symbolic of a possible change in intelligence. As Jack steals the glasses, he is taking the main asset for the building of a fire. This is creating a big disadvantage for Ralph's group because without fire and smoke there is no hope for rescue, which is one of the main things attaching them to civilisation. The glasses were also protecting them, allowing the chance to argue against Jack's group because they held the valuable item. |
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Post by jemimareid on Feb 24, 2015 21:26:25 GMT
Why didn't Jack and the hunters come for the conch? Because they don't believe in its importance anymore. They came for the glasses because that is something they need to survive. They don't want the conch because they've reverted to a dictatorship and no longer believe in freedom of speech. |
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Post by jemimareid on Feb 24, 2015 21:28:39 GMT
Jack and his hunters did not want the conch as Piggy had expected rather they wanted Piggy's glasses. By the tribe not taking the conch, might suggest that Jack has no desire for a democratic sort of group but a tribe where Jack rules alone. The conch represented authority and predominantly the authority of Ralph so Jack would not want to have it. I think that not only did Jack take the glasses to light a fire, but it is also symbolic of a possible change in intelligence. As Jack steals the glasses, he is taking the main asset for the building of a fire. This is creating a big disadvantage for Ralph's group because without fire and smoke there is no hope for rescue, which is one of the main things attaching them to civilisation. The glasses were also protecting them, allowing the chance to argue against Jack's group because they held the valuable item. Exactly. they still hold the power of democracy, but that means nothing without the power they hold over Jack's group by being in possession of fire. |
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Post by isabelleewert on Feb 25, 2015 5:30:58 GMT
Why didn't Jack and the hunters come for the conch? Because they don't believe in its importance anymore. They came for the glasses because that is something they need to survive. They don't want the conch because they've reverted to a dictatorship and no longer believe in freedom of speech. Jack has no need for the conch in his new tribe so he didn't take it. He needed the glasses to make fire so that is what they took. |
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Post by zoewatson on Feb 25, 2015 9:03:22 GMT
Why didn't Jack and the hunters come for the conch? Jack does not need the conch to run his tribe. He does not believe in the order and civilisation that the conch brings. The conch was something specific to ralohs tribe and the way he runs things but Jack runs his tribe differently. The conch is no use to Jack whislt the glasses will be useful for jacks tribe to cook the pigs they hunt. |
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Post by elisegrant on Feb 25, 2015 11:23:59 GMT
Jack and his hunters didn't come for the conch because it symbolises order and civilisation. Jack isn't after these sort of qualities and he never believed in the conch because he thought not all of the boys deserved the right to share their opinions, rather, he believed some should learn to keep their mouth shut. He has no need for the conch and without it, it means that he can be the only leader and have the only say in the tribe.
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Post by zoel on Feb 26, 2015 5:31:49 GMT
Why didn't Jack and the hunters come for the conch? Jack does not need the conch to run his tribe. He does not believe in the order and civilisation that the conch brings. The conch was something specific to ralohs tribe and the way he runs things but Jack runs his tribe differently. The conch is no use to Jack whislt the glasses will be useful for jacks tribe to cook the pigs they hunt. Jack also already has a large amount of power so why should he bother stealing something that would give him something he already has? |
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Post by Hope15 on Feb 26, 2015 5:38:57 GMT
Why didn't Jack and the hunters come for the conch? Jack does not need the conch to run his tribe. He does not believe in the order and civilisation that the conch brings. The conch was something specific to ralohs tribe and the way he runs things but Jack runs his tribe differently. The conch is no use to Jack whislt the glasses will be useful for jacks tribe to cook the pigs they hunt. I agree and also Jack may see the conch as a threat to his position as leader. He doesn't want the boys to respect the conch's authority, just his own. |
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Post by allanaedgell on Feb 26, 2015 6:38:57 GMT
Why didn't Jack and the hunters come for the conch? Jack and his hunters did not come for the conch as Jack doesn't believe it is nessicary for his tribe to have it. The conch represents civilisation and democracy and Jack doesn't think this is useful or helpful. They came for Piggy's glasses as they are something that the tribe needs to survive - not the conch like Piggy thinks. |
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Post by allanaedgell on Feb 26, 2015 6:41:23 GMT
Why didn't Jack and the hunters come for the conch? Because they don't believe in its importance anymore. They came for the glasses because that is something they need to survive. They don't want the conch because they've reverted to a dictatorship and no longer believe in freedom of speech. I also think that the conch represents Ralph's authority over the group as it was his symbol of power. Jack doesn't want to have Ralph's conch as it represents Ralph and his leadership instead of Jack. |
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Post by coreym on Feb 26, 2015 7:06:53 GMT
Why didn't Jack and the hunters come for the conch? Jacks hunters didn't come for the conch because it represents civilisation, order and authority. All of these are things that Jack doesn't want to have. What he wants is power, and that is what Piggys glasses give him. |
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Post by mattsmart on Feb 26, 2015 11:00:20 GMT
They did not come for the conch they actually came because they wanted piggys glasses so they could start a fire of their own so they could cook the pigs that they kill.
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Post by mattsmart on Feb 26, 2015 11:01:41 GMT
Why didn't Jack and the hunters come for the conch? Jacks hunters didn't come for the conch because it represents civilisation, order and authority. All of these are things that Jack doesn't want to have. What he wants is power, and that is what Piggys glasses give him. With Ralph and Piggy lossing the glasses this means that they will possibly never get off the island as they could not light a signal fire. |
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