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Post by MsElliott on Feb 2, 2015 0:42:02 GMT
What problems are developing between Jack and Ralph in this chapter, and why?
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Post by kayleewilliams on Feb 2, 2015 11:53:52 GMT
What problems are developing between Jack and Ralph in this chapter, and why? Jack was tasked with hunting, which, although he was unable to catch anything, he seemed to be enjoying, whereas Ralph was to make shelters with Simon. This made Ralph jealous, because whilst he was working on something he hated, Jack was ab,e to do something he actually enjoyed, even if he wasn't particularly good at it. |
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Post by kate Fincham on Feb 2, 2015 12:38:54 GMT
What problems are developing between Jack and Ralph in this chapter, and why? Ralph gets angry at Jack because while Jack is off hunting, an activity he clearly enjoys, he is stuck in the sun making huts with Simon. He fact that Jack hasn't caught a single thing probably doesn't help either. During this argument it becomes clear that Ralph is reluctant to use his leadership position to force Jack into doing anything. Ralph is the leader and therefore has the right to order Jack not to hunt, however he doesn't. On an unrelated note, we see Jack's dark side start to show. He's completely obsessed with catching a pig, caught up in a kind of blood lust. He promises he'll help with the shelters once he catches a pig, as though he MUST catch a pig before he can do anything else. |
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Post by kayleewilliams on Feb 3, 2015 0:09:45 GMT
What problems are developing between Jack and Ralph in this chapter, and why? Ralph gets angry at Jack because while Jack is off hunting, an activity he clearly enjoys, he is stuck in the sun making huts with Simon. He fact that Jack hasn't caught a single thing probably doesn't help either. During this argument it becomes clear that Ralph is reluctant to use his leadership position to force Jack into doing anything. Ralph is the leader and therefore has the right to order Jack not to hunt, however he doesn't. On an unrelated note, we see Jack's dark side start to show. He's completely obsessed with catching a pig, caught up in a kind of blood lust. He promises he'll help with the shelters once he catches a pig, as though he MUST catch a pig before he can do anything else. Although, Jack has, so far, been unable to catch a pig. His failed attempts are wasting time. |
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Post by isabelleewert on Feb 3, 2015 7:32:01 GMT
What problems are developing between Jack and Ralph in this chapter, and why? Ralph gets angry at Jack because while Jack is off hunting, an activity he clearly enjoys, he is stuck in the sun making huts with Simon. He fact that Jack hasn't caught a single thing probably doesn't help either. During this argument it becomes clear that Ralph is reluctant to use his leadership position to force Jack into doing anything. Ralph is the leader and therefore has the right to order Jack not to hunt, however he doesn't. On an unrelated note, we see Jack's dark side start to show. He's completely obsessed with catching a pig, caught up in a kind of blood lust. He promises he'll help with the shelters once he catches a pig, as though he MUST catch a pig before he can do anything else. I agree Kate. Jack is very self centred almost in this chapter of having to do anything to catch a pig. Ralph certainly does not use his leadership to make Jack do what he thinks needs to be done and he basically allows Jack to continue hunting for pigs. I also think that Jack's character is not as it was in the previous chapter and now he has this obsession to catch a pig. |
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Post by remimckenzie on Feb 3, 2015 8:15:10 GMT
What problems are developing between Jack and Ralph in this chapter, and why? Ralph gets angry at Jack because while Jack is off hunting, an activity he clearly enjoys, he is stuck in the sun making huts with Simon. He fact that Jack hasn't caught a single thing probably doesn't help either. During this argument it becomes clear that Ralph is reluctant to use his leadership position to force Jack into doing anything. Ralph is the leader and therefore has the right to order Jack not to hunt, however he doesn't. On an unrelated note, we see Jack's dark side start to show. He's completely obsessed with catching a pig, caught up in a kind of blood lust. He promises he'll help with the shelters once he catches a pig, as though he MUST catch a pig before he can do anything else. I believe that the points that you have put forward are right. I think Jack is more focusing trying to kill the pig for his own well-being. Knowing that he can kill a pig will put his conscious to rest. However, the boys do need food to survive but he still has not killed a pig yet. |
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Post by zoewatson on Feb 3, 2015 9:11:13 GMT
What problems are developing between Jack and Ralph in this chapter, and why? Ralph is kind of becoming angry and jealous of Jack. This is because he is stuck making shelters with Simon while Jack has a job that he enjoys. Whilst Jack is out hunting, Ralph is stuck in the sun doing hard work. Jack is also yet to actually catch a pig which is also frustrating because while the others work hard and produce results, Jack hasn't been able to give them anything. For some reason Ralph doesn't use his leadership power to force Jack to do work that will benefit the boys. |
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Post by coreym on Feb 3, 2015 9:15:46 GMT
What problems are developing between Jack and Ralph in this chapter, and why? Ralph is kind of becoming angry and jealous of Jack. This is because he is stuck making shelters with Simon while Jack has a job that he enjoys. Whilst Jack is out hunting, Ralph is stuck in the sun doing hard work. Jack is also yet to actually catch a pig which is also frustrating because while the others work hard and produce results, Jack hasn't been able to give them anything. For some reason Ralph doesn't use his leadership power to force Jack to do work that will benefit the boys. That is a good point about how Ralph doesn't use his leadership power to force Jack to do work on the huts, perhaps it is because Jack also has authority and he knows it will just result in more tension between them. |
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Post by Hope15 on Feb 3, 2015 9:19:12 GMT
What problems are developing between Jack and Ralph in this chapter, and why? In chapter 3 Jack and Ralph encounter a few problems. Jack is set with the task of hunting while Ralph and Simon make the huts and shelters. Jack seems to really enjoy hunting and even though he wasn't overly good at it he seems to be having fun. This makes Ralph feel mad and jealous because he is stuck with a job he didn't like. Ralph also thinks that Jack is using his hunting duties to avoid doing any of the 'real' work. |
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Post by elisegrant on Feb 3, 2015 10:27:24 GMT
They both don't agree what needs to be done. Ralph thinks they need to build shelters so they can sleep in at not and be protected from the "beastie" and Jack thinks they need to kill some pigs so they can get meat. They both can't agree on what is more important and it creates some tension between them. It also creates some tension because Ralph really doesn't want to be making shelters but Jack is out doing what he wants to do which is trying to kill a pig.
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Post by zoebia on Feb 3, 2015 10:43:59 GMT
What problems are developing between Jack and Ralph in this chapter, and why? Ralph becomes jealous and even angry at the fact that Jack is out hunting, which he finds quite enjoyable although he isn't doing the best at, when Ralph is working hard with Simon building the shelters, something he isn't finding enjoyable. This creates tension, especially on Ralphs part between the two boys. |
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Post by jemimareid on Feb 3, 2015 11:12:04 GMT
What problems are developing between Jack and Ralph in this chapter, and why? Jack and Ralph have different common interests. Ralph wants to build and provide for the "tribe" and Jack wants to hunt and provide for the "tribe". They both want to provide for the other boys but their difference in ways of going about it causes conflict between them. Especially since Jack's temper is causing heated arguments. |
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Post by zoel on Feb 3, 2015 20:35:01 GMT
What problems are developing between Jack and Ralph in this chapter, and why? Jack was tasked with hunting, which, although he was unable to catch anything, he seemed to be enjoying, whereas Ralph was to make shelters with Simon. This made Ralph jealous, because whilst he was working on something he hated, Jack was ab,e to do something he actually enjoyed, even if he wasn't particularly good at it. The fact that everyone other than Simon and Ralph are off doing something unproductive and fun, is starting to get on Ralph's nerves. Since jack is also off doing something fun and so far unproductive, Ralph probably puts him in the group of people doing nothing. |
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Post by emah on Feb 5, 2015 6:57:04 GMT
What problems are developing between Jack and Ralph in this chapter, and why? In chapter 3 Jack and Ralph encounter a few problems. Jack is set with the task of hunting while Ralph and Simon make the huts and shelters. Jack seems to really enjoy hunting and even though he wasn't overly good at it he seems to be having fun. This makes Ralph feel mad and jealous because he is stuck with a job he didn't like. Ralph also thinks that Jack is using his hunting duties to avoid doing any of the 'real' work. Ralph suffers while working because he doesn't have any other helpers apart from Simon. He also gets frustrated because he can't build a good hut. While Jack is hunting in the forest, he doesn't mind his job. Because he lets the other hunters off work, not bothered about having to work alone. Jack also gets frustrated when he can't catch a pig but is not so worried about having to try again. |
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Post by mackenzieg on Feb 8, 2015 13:52:14 GMT
What problems are developing between Jack and Ralph in this chapter, and why? Ralph gets angry at Jack because while Jack is off hunting, an activity he clearly enjoys, he is stuck in the sun making huts with Simon. He fact that Jack hasn't caught a single thing probably doesn't help either. During this argument it becomes clear that Ralph is reluctant to use his leadership position to force Jack into doing anything. Ralph is the leader and therefore has the right to order Jack not to hunt, however he doesn't. On an unrelated note, we see Jack's dark side start to show. He's completely obsessed with catching a pig, caught up in a kind of blood lust. He promises he'll help with the shelters once he catches a pig, as though he MUST catch a pig before he can do anything else. i think the reason that ralph doesn't order jack to stop hunting may be because he wants to keep the relationship between them friendly or at least not hostile. |
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