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Post by MsElliott on Jan 30, 2015 0:47:26 GMT
Consider the conversation between the two boys on pp. 19 & 20. Ralph can be considered an optimist, Piggy a pessimist, can you explain what has led to these boys' personalities being so different?
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Post by coreym on Feb 1, 2015 4:53:09 GMT
Ralph is an optimist because he has been sheltered by his parents and hasn't had any real problems to overcome, whereas both of Piggy's parents have died and he now understands firsthand that life can be cruel which gives him a pessimistic view.
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Post by kayleewilliams on Feb 1, 2015 5:58:26 GMT
Ralph is an optimist because he has been sheltered by his parents and hasn't had any real problems to overcome, whereas both of Piggy's parents have died and he now understands firsthand that life can be cruel which gives him a pessimistic view. Piggy seems to have been picked on in the past (hence the nickname 'Piggy'), meaning that he has suffered not only from losing his parents, but also from being treated poorly. This can cause him to have more of a negative outlook on life. Ralph, however, seems to be the kind to be popular among the other boys and have many friends before the plane crash incident, causing him to have more of a positive outlook due to not having had any big problems to face during his childhood. |
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Post by ZoeL10a on Feb 1, 2015 6:02:54 GMT
Consider the conversation between the two boys on pp. 19 & 20. Ralph can be considered an optimist, Piggy a pessimist, can you explain what has led to these boys' personalities being so different? In this conversation, Piggy is taking the more realistic and pessimistic point of view. His parents have died and so he is aware and is thinking rationally about the dangers of the island and the likelihood of being rescued. Ralph, however, stays in his little bubble of "nothing bad will happen because nothing bad has ever happened before" which he picked up from having such a safe and protected life with his parents. |
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Post by zoewatson on Feb 1, 2015 6:26:37 GMT
Consider the conversation between the two boys on pp. 19 & 20. Ralph can be considered an optimist, Piggy a pessimist, can you explain what has led to these boys' personalities being so different? In this conversation, Piggy is taking the more realistic and pessimistic point of view. His parents have died and so he is aware and is thinking rationally about the dangers of the island and the likelihood of being rescued. Ralph, however, stays in his little bubble of "nothing bad will happen because nothing bad has ever happened before" which he picked up from having such a safe and protected life with his parents. During this conversation it was quite clear that Piggy and Ralph have had two very different upbringings. Piggy has experienced events that make him aware that not everything ends happily while Ralph has been protected so understand the seriousness of being stuck on the island. |
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Post by isabelleewert on Feb 1, 2015 6:41:06 GMT
Consider the conversation between the two boys on pp. 19 & 20. Ralph can be considered an optimist, Piggy a pessimist, can you explain what has led to these boys' personalities being so different? In this conversation, Piggy is taking the more realistic and pessimistic point of view. His parents have died and so he is aware and is thinking rationally about the dangers of the island and the likelihood of being rescued. Ralph, however, stays in his little bubble of "nothing bad will happen because nothing bad has ever happened before" which he picked up from having such a safe and protected life with his parents. Piggy is certainly a more cautious character than Ralph is and would think about the possibility of them surviving the island let alone being rescued. Ralph is much more carefree and believes that his father would go to great lengths to find and save him. He seems as though he would be very dependent on his parents while Piggy has had the opportunity to have to somewhat look after himself after the loss of his parents despite having his auntie. |
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Post by zoel on Feb 1, 2015 6:49:17 GMT
In this conversation, Piggy is taking the more realistic and pessimistic point of view. His parents have died and so he is aware and is thinking rationally about the dangers of the island and the likelihood of being rescued. Ralph, however, stays in his little bubble of "nothing bad will happen because nothing bad has ever happened before" which he picked up from having such a safe and protected life with his parents. Piggy is certainly a more cautious character than Ralph is and would think about the possibility of them surviving the island let alone being rescued. Ralph is much more carefree and believes that his father would go to great lengths to find and save him. He seems as though he would be very dependent on his parents while Piggy has had the opportunity to have to somewhat look after himself after the loss of his parents despite having his auntie. yes, and I think that in turn, this gives Piggy a clearer mind because, instead of getting caught up in believing they will certainly be rescued, just as Ra, he begins to think "yes, we may get rescued, but we need to think about what we will do to keep up alive until or if we get rescued." |
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Post by kate Fincham on Feb 1, 2015 7:23:47 GMT
Consider the conversation between the two boys on pp. 19 & 20. Ralph can be considered an optimist, Piggy a pessimist, can you explain what has led to these boys' personalities being so different? I think that as well as Piggy being picked on and Ralph being popular and that Piggy's parents are dead, Piggy's Aunt also seems to be quite controlling. While she does let him eat as many sweets as he wants, she also forbids him from doing certain activites because of his asthma: "my Auntie told me not to run," he explained, "on account of my asthma." While his Aunt was probably just trying to keep him safe, she's imposed all these restrictions on him which probably influenced his personality. He's much quieter than Ralph (who's clearly had a fairly unrestrained upbringing) and is much humbler. |
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Post by mattsmart on Feb 1, 2015 9:21:50 GMT
Ralph is an optimist because he has been sheltered by his parents and hasn't had any real problems to overcome, whereas both of Piggy's parents have died and he now understands firsthand that life can be cruel which gives him a pessimistic view. Piggy seems to have been picked on in the past (hence the nickname 'Piggy'), meaning that he has suffered not only from losing his parents, but also from being treated poorly. This can cause him to have more of a negative outlook on life. Ralph, however, seems to be the kind to be popular among the other boys and have many friends before the plane crash incident, causing him to have more of a positive outlook due to not having had any big problems to face during his childhood. Ralph is optimistic because of when he lived with his parents he was always safe in luxuary with nothing bad going to happen to him, which keeps the optimistic light on things and that nothing bad has happened before, so nothing bad will happen on the island. Piggy is the opposite seeing thought that before the island bad things have occurred to his life from the passing of both his parents and him being called piggy at school, which makes piggy feel like that he needs to be more safer as that he is aware that bad things can happen at anytime. |
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Post by laurah on Feb 1, 2015 9:43:24 GMT
Consider the conversation between the two boys on pp. 19 & 20. Ralph can be considered an optimist, Piggy a pessimist, can you explain what has led to these boys' personalities being so different? These boys' personalities differ so greatly because of their upbringing. Ralph has had a sheltered childhood, as his father is a strong masculine figure in his family and his family has a stable income. This lifestyle would led Ralph to have a happy outlook on life, as he hasn't experienced anything to make him think otherwise. Piggy has none of those luxuries; he was brought up solely by his auntie because of his parents' deaths. Piggy knows the realities of life, which is why he is regarded as a pessimist. |
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Post by coreym on Feb 1, 2015 10:43:53 GMT
Consider the conversation between the two boys on pp. 19 & 20. Ralph can be considered an optimist, Piggy a pessimist, can you explain what has led to these boys' personalities being so different? In this conversation, Piggy is taking the more realistic and pessimistic point of view. His parents have died and so he is aware and is thinking rationally about the dangers of the island and the likelihood of being rescued. Ralph, however, stays in his little bubble of "nothing bad will happen because nothing bad has ever happened before" which he picked up from having such a safe and protected life with his parents. It is really quite clear that Piggys unfortunate past has made him more pessimistic, and how Ralph just assumes his dad will rescue them when there is no way he could know where he is. |
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Post by emah on Feb 1, 2015 11:12:13 GMT
Consider the conversation between the two boys on pp. 19 & 20. Ralph can be considered an optimist, Piggy a pessimist, can you explain what has led to these boys' personalities being so different? I think that as well as Piggy being picked on and Ralph being popular and that Piggy's parents are dead, Piggy's Aunt also seems to be quite controlling. While she does let him eat as many sweets as he wants, she also forbids him from doing certain activites because of his asthma: "my Auntie told me not to run," he explained, "on account of my asthma." While his Aunt was probably just trying to keep him safe, she's imposed all these restrictions on him which probably influenced his personality. He's much quieter than Ralph (who's clearly had a fairly unrestrained upbringing) and is much humbler. As you said, I think that Piggy's aunty is a strong factor for him to be more pessimistic. He has lots of trust in his aunty, which has contracted his freedom in what he can do. As Ralph is very laid back, he isn't very trusting in his parents but is using them as a security blanket from reality. |
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Post by stewarts on Feb 1, 2015 11:22:23 GMT
This conversation is a bit of a battle between reality and childhood innocence. Piggy understands that death happens and it can come spontaneously, especially in dangerous situations like he finds himself in. Ralph hasn't experienced such circumstances and he believes his father, who is eith the navy, will come and rescue every boy on the island.
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Post by mackenzieg on Feb 1, 2015 13:07:21 GMT
Consider the conversation between the two boys on pp. 19 & 20. Ralph can be considered an optimist, Piggy a pessimist, can you explain what has led to these boys' personalities being so different? Seeing as piggy was called piggy and may have been bullied, plus the fact that his parents have both passed away, this could very well have led to piggy having a pesimistic outlook on life because he has experienced real and scary things. Ralph on the other hand has been coddled by his dad and has been used to being popular at school and having he security of his navy officer dad. this is most likely why he thinks everything is okay and is optimistic about things. |
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Post by remimckenzie on Feb 1, 2015 13:12:59 GMT
Consider the conversation between the two boys on pp. 19 & 20. Ralph can be considered an optimist, Piggy a pessimist, can you explain what has led to these boys' personalities being so different? I believe that Ralph is brought up to be an optimist as he has for all his life, been protected by his parents, especially considering his father is in the Navy and it is his duty to protect people. However this is not the case for Piggy. Piggy’s parents have passed away, leaving him to have a more realistic vision than Ralph’s. Not only have Piggy’s parents passed away, but he has also been teased his schooling life for being obese (hence the name Piggy). |
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