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Post by MsElliott on Feb 11, 2015 9:46:30 GMT
Simon and Piggy both want Ralph to remain as leader: why?
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Post by lindadate on Feb 12, 2015 6:05:44 GMT
Simon and Piggy are both clever, and are kind of the 'good guys' of the story. They both want Ralph to remain chief because they know that he is a good person and a much better leader than Jack, who would send the boys into anarchy if he was to lead and would not work to help get them rescued. If Jack took control, the boys would end up dieing on the island.
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Post by zoewatson on Feb 12, 2015 10:47:31 GMT
Simon and Piggy are both clever, and are kind of the 'good guys' of the story. They both want Ralph to remain chief because they know that he is a good person and a much better leader than Jack, who would send the boys into anarchy if he was to lead and would not work to help get them rescued. If Jack took control, the boys would end up dieing on the island. It is a good observation that Piggy and Simon are the good guys of the story. They both want what's best for the boys on the island and they believe that it's ralph remaining as chief. Ralph has a leadership attitude about himself and he knows how to get the boys attention, whilst Jack is just interested in people following his command for his pleasure rather than the safety of the boys. |
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Post by isabelleewert on Feb 14, 2015 7:16:53 GMT
Simon and Piggy both want Ralph to remain as leader: why? Simon and Piggy both want Ralph to remain as leader really because of one factor, they don't want Jack to be chief. Ralph has increasingly been standing up for Simon and Piggy and they appreciate that. Ralph is a strong character and his main focus and goal is to be rescued from the island while all Jack wants to do is hunt. Simon and Piggy haven't been 'brainwashed' as the other boys have and still have that vision of rescue and survival. "If Jack was chief he'd have all hunting and no fire. We'd be here till we died!" |
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Post by zoel on Feb 15, 2015 3:17:58 GMT
Simon and piggy are both quite quiet and so far neither have been able to announce something properly at an assembly. They are usually interrupted if they even speak at all. They are both smart enough to know that they cannot control the group whereas Ralph can. Ralph can control the group and get the attention of the group with similar morals to simon and piggy. They know they can't be leader, so they want Ralph to stay leader because they believe he will lead them in a better direction of jack
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Post by emah on Feb 15, 2015 4:39:50 GMT
Simon and Piggy both want Ralph to remain as leader: why? Simon and Piggy are frightened of Jack and know they won't be treated as well as Ralph being chief. Ralph is much kinder towards the others, so he is more popular as a leader. Without the protection from Ralph, Piggy fears his own safety a lot. The chances of rescue become slimmer. Instead, a hierarchy with no equality and just hunting could be created. If Ralph volunteers to quit his role, it makes him very vulnerable to stand against Jack later. This is feared by Simon and Piggy as it would affect them. |
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Post by Hope15 on Feb 15, 2015 4:48:33 GMT
Simon and Piggy both want Ralph to remain as leader: why? Simon and Piggy both want Ralph to remain as leader really because of one factor, they don't want Jack to be chief. Ralph has increasingly been standing up for Simon and Piggy and they appreciate that. Ralph is a strong character and his main focus and goal is to be rescued from the island while all Jack wants to do is hunt. Simon and Piggy haven't been 'brainwashed' as the other boys have and still have that vision of rescue and survival. "If Jack was chief he'd have all hunting and no fire. We'd be here till we died!" I think the at Simon and Piggy also see Jack as the 'bad guy' and Ralph as the 'good guy'. Ralph has one main goal which will benefit everyone whereas Jack only seems to want to hunt for his own selfish pleasure. Ralph actually wants to help the boys get off the island. |
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Post by isabelleewert on Feb 15, 2015 7:08:51 GMT
Simon and Piggy both want Ralph to remain as leader: why? Simon and Piggy are frightened of Jack and know they won't be treated as well as Ralph being chief. Ralph is much kinder towards the others, so he is more popular as a leader. Without the protection from Ralph, Piggy fears his own safety a lot. The chances of rescue become slimmer. Instead, a hierarchy with no equality and just hunting could be created. If Ralph volunteers to quit his role, it makes him very vulnerable to stand against Jack later. This is feared by Simon and Piggy as it would affect them.I like your point of there being no equality in the group of boys is Jack was to be leader as he would be very dictating. Yes, Ralph would be quite vulnerable if he were to give up his position. Not only could Jack take action against him but the other boys may also turn on Ralph as being weak. |
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Post by lilyklunyk on Feb 15, 2015 8:28:28 GMT
If Ralph stepped down from being the chief, then Jack would be the chief. They think that if Jack was chief then there would be no fire and
everyone would be hunting. Piggy thinks that Jack would attack him and the boys would never get off the island. Jack would do everything his way and he would be doing it to feed his ego, not for the good of the group.
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Post by coreym on Feb 15, 2015 9:55:37 GMT
Simon and Piggy want Ralph to remain chief because they know that if he doesn't the civilisation on the island may collapse. If Ralph was to step down It would make Jack chief. Piggy knows that if this was to happen Jack would treat Piggy horribly and maybe even kill him.
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Post by jemimareid on Feb 15, 2015 10:15:24 GMT
Simon and Piggy both want Ralph to remain as leader: why? Because both of them know that if Jack becomes leader, their place and possibly lives in the tribe of boys could be threatened, because they aren't in the inner circle of Jack's choir boys. They also aren't on Jacks friend list. Jack thinks that Simon is queer and he has a hatred for Piggy. I think this is possibly because Jacks sees that Piggy is more intelligent than he is, so he tries to assert his dominance in a physical fashion. But whenever he attacks Piggy, verbally anyways, Piggy just says "I've got the conch". And, like most bullies, he rules by intimidating those weaker than he is. Without this form of belittlement, he is powerless. |
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Post by remimckenzie on Feb 16, 2015 5:59:17 GMT
Simon and Piggy are both clever, and are kind of the 'good guys' of the story. They both want Ralph to remain chief because they know that he is a good person and a much better leader than Jack, who would send the boys into anarchy if he was to lead and would not work to help get them rescued. If Jack took control, the boys would end up dieing on the island. Not only that, but I think they, especially Piggy, know that if Jack was leader, there is a good chance of him not thinking straight and could even possibly do something horrible to the people who go against him. Ralph is a much more level headed thinker. |
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Post by emilyhadzalic on Feb 17, 2015 9:28:42 GMT
Simon and Piggy are both clever, and are kind of the 'good guys' of the story. They both want Ralph to remain chief because they know that he is a good person and a much better leader than Jack, who would send the boys into anarchy if he was to lead and would not work to help get them rescued. If Jack took control, the boys would end up dieing on the island. I agree that Piggy and Simon want Ralph to remain the leader of the boys because he's a "good guy" and will give them a better chance of getting rescued but I also think that Piggy wants Ralph to stay the leader, personally, so that he'll feel like he has some protection from Jack's bullying. |
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Post by coreym on Feb 17, 2015 10:24:07 GMT
Simon and Piggy are both clever, and are kind of the 'good guys' of the story. They both want Ralph to remain chief because they know that he is a good person and a much better leader than Jack, who would send the boys into anarchy if he was to lead and would not work to help get them rescued. If Jack took control, the boys would end up dieing on the island. Also Piggy knows that if Jack was elected chief he'd be the first to die. |
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Post by kate Fincham on Feb 17, 2015 22:22:47 GMT
Simon and Piggy both want Ralph to remain as leader: why? Piggy wants Ralph to remain leader for a couple of reasons. The first and most obvious is because he hates Jack. Jack always shoots him down and has at times been quite violent towards him. Piggy is also smart, he knows if Jack leads they'll never be rescued, because Jack places higher priority in hunting over keeping the signal fire going. Simon wants Ralph to be leader because he has always been a firm believer of civilisation and order. Simon is probably the wisest of the boys on the island, he can probably see that if Jack leads them they will soon spiral into savegry. |
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